After that drink al lot of water or hold a bottle or pot of Water in your hands and step at the scale again. My main issue with Withings is that it cannot tell users apart if their weights are similar. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? The data algorithms for body fat & muscle mass have been improved over the original Index Scale and all the data in Garmin Connect and on the scale is well presented and I find that aspect hard to fault – your day-to-day experience will be great. …. This is already technically possible with the S1 customers but it isn’t done. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Setting Up Your Device. Looks like another scale that won’t really work well on carpet, even with those feet. – Body Fat Percentage 😉. I own one, will not use anything else. So use the app. Only then can you share access to the scales with them to let them sync their setting over WiFi to your scales. I’m wondering if you have any comparison with first generation when it comes to differen metrics like fat percentage? In fact, every time you step on the scale it’ll check for software updates, and if there is an update, it’ll install it the following night between 1AM and 4AM. I was thinking about getting an Index scale just the other day due to the hit-or-miss way weigh ins from my department store smart scale get in to Connect. The Garmin Connect app (Android and iOS) offers a holistic view of your health, including data and metrics such as your activity level, weight, BMI, body fat percentage and other measurements and data. At 13.8 by 12.2 by 1.2 inches, the Garmin Index has the largest footprint—along with the largest price tag—of any scale we’ve considered. My index 1 stopped recording body weight metrics about a year ago after three or four years of ownership. I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. And while the goal isn’t realistically to try and have 1:1 replacement of fluids during a workout (especially running), you can at least use the information to guide your hydration choices. Garmin Index is Wi-Fi connected, allowing you to wirelessly sync your data to Garmin Connect. – Uploads via WiFi, configuration via Bluetooth Smart If you're in the Garmin ecosystem and need a smart scale, the Garmin Index S2 is the scale for you. So you kinda have to figure them out yourself. THIS would be a feature making me buying a smart scale! you compared Body Fat data to Garmin Index 1 scale? Also, as I’ve showed historically, weight is on-point, but even the best Tanita scales were all over the place for body fat when measuring a bunch of athletes at a BodPod facility. I’m tempted by this, if only because I’m 100% in the Garmin universe these days since the competition has dropped away and the Fenix line has matured. The metrics that it measures include BMI, weight (lb, kg, or st), water and … Note that I was sent a media loaner of the Index S2 scale, which as usual I’ll send back once I’m done here. Average? This seems to be THE dominant factor in what you body fat comes out as. Assuming an app is supported though, you can link it up to get weight data automatically sent to it. I agree, I intent to place this scale in a home without Wifi, thus having the possibility to sync everyday measurement through Bluetooth would have been great! We currently own the Omron BF511 scale, but I would like to upgrade to a more modern scale with a mobile connection to keep track of developments. And, when there’s gaps, you’ve gotta figure those out too. I couldn’t find any way to allow Polar to read Apple Health data. By now the scale will have updated itself and be ready to use. There is not body fat settings in GC so this was the only solution for proper calories calculations. No search has been performed. Weight, Water %, % Fat, BMI, and Muscle Mass are what get pushed over from Garmin Connect to Training Peaks instantaneously via the Garmin Health Sync thing that’s referenced in Ray’s article. And it’s easy to say ‘Sure, it’ll fill in over the course of the next 30 days’, and yes, it will. Thanks in advance. Seems like no so much to me. So here is the most up to date list of products I like and fit the bill for me and my training needs best! It would be great to have a choice for example when the scale in a place without Wi-Fi for example on a training camp or on remote location. Now do I really want another doodad in the house…. The actual measurements from the scale would be more useful long term to me, since they have over the years suddenly changed algorithms and their ‘activity’ level settings. That said, the Garmin Index S2 was certainly the most believable and consistent. However, the Index S2 experience could have been improved by a better design and onboarding process. I have an old withing scale, it is a little frustrating that the weight could change by more than 0.5lb when making a few measurements in in a row. Setup/usage seemed overly complex…then I tried the Fitbit and Tanita…eeesh. It looks like you have to be quite special to get Garmin API access. Connect to the correct WiFi network on your smartphone (The WiFi Networks page should change automatically to allow this), Manually link Garmin Connect to Apple Healthkit or Google Fit. This is basically the pièce de résistance of the Index S2 scale, showing your weight over the last 30 days, as well as progress towards a goal line (in green). If that would be to difficult, could you at least do two easy checks for me?  And to compliment that, here’s The Girl’s (my wife’s) list. Yep. The weight measurements seemed accurate and the other body measurements seemed plausible and consistent. Now, how do I get YouTube running on that display? So do you think it’s worth the upgrade? I did a work-a-round by adding a dns entry in my router for the garmin ntp that will point it … The good, the bad, and the ugly. The older scale I currently use has never provided a higher weight reading seven days in a row without my clothing fitting a little bit tighter. And as always, feel free to post comments or questions in the comments section below, I’ll be happy to try and answer them as quickly as possible. with the Body Cardio) and just put a flat bottom on their scale with the “feet” located internally. I am interested to know what other brand that has accuracy that is within 0.5lb. In the case of the Index S2, it retains the same expensive price as previous, but now adds the new color display and trending information. I have to say, the devices on test seem archaic in the design and operation, and generally untrustworthy with their results. Garmin Connect use Your weight/height/age/sex to calculate base/active calories (and maybe other values). Love Garmin products, so decided to pick this up for the wife and I. In your device Body fat lines up with physical caliper measurements (~1% lower than that old Withings, which was reading a bit high and athlete mode wasn’t yielding consistent results). After 100 cycles are all garbage. Garmin is better. Related Manuals. Very fine hairline scratches all over the glass top Photo is out of focus but this was the only way to capture the scratches, instead of a reflection of my bathroom ceiling. Over time it’ll average out and trend in the right direction as it’s also influenced by your underlying body fat but it’s still annoying. As long as this data is still shown on the Garmin Connect website (not in the app), I have no reason to upgrade. One problem I consistently have with the 1st generation Index is the weigh is consistency 2-3 pounds higher than any other digital scale that I compare with. My old Tanita BC1000 measures visceral fat, physique rating and metabolic age. Good question! Another new feature with the Index S2 scale is the ability to customize which of these metrics it’ll show each time you step on it. The weight measurements were identical, however the body fat/bonemass/body water measurements were slightly different (about .3% difference). Obviously, it’s not recommended to wear socks since that’ll impact things. That said the last Garmin result is kept in Garmin Connect. You would think it would be easy to differentiate between users considering that the scale is taking or making multiple measurements, but it seems they only differentiate based on weight. I never got below about 12%. This is a slight change from the Index 1 scale, where I can simply step on. You can read those full results here: link to dcrainmaker.com. It’s as simple as that. Have you done any comparisons with weight with other scales? If like me, you are vested in the Garmin ecosystem then the Index Scale makes sense for you. Hi Ray, thanks for the coverage, I enjoyed your keynote today. The first is a reset button, which kicks the scale into pairing mode, and the second is a selector to switch between Pounds, Kilograms, and Stones. The Garmin Index S2 was the best of 4 relatively expensive smart scales I reviewed. This isn’t entirely the fault of Garmin, but it’s also an area they could put some effort into convincing their partners (cough, Zwift). than an actual measurement, then it’s a gimmick imo. Garmin service wasn’t able to fix it, despite some ideas around troubleshooting. But bone mass…it makes no sense. It syncs with Apple health, so my weight is always up to date throughout my apps. Garmin was always either 2.8kg or 2.9kg and Tanita RD953 was always 4.1kg. 10% REI Dividend, Wiggle (up to 17% for Wiggle platinum members), great choice at Amazon. It works. definitely not ideal. In Europe they redirect to two different entities, but as noted, the blocking is tough. Wanna create comparison chart graphs just like I do for GPS, heart rate, power meters and more? From this moment forward it’ll look worse, even if you never touch it. It fails somehow at this most basic task for the most pro-Garmin customers. Then hit up Wiggle at the link below! Ultimately, my partnership there is aimed at US people, whereas my Wiggle partnership is aimed at the rest of the world. Garmin S1 blood fat readings where definitely fake as other here confirmed as well. Reckon you could get Doom to run on it? I own the earlier version, and the reason I was willing to pay more was the ease of mind and simplicity. Does the body fat percentage magically go up or down by a few points? If anyone has questions about SmartScaleSync.com I’d be happy to answer them here. Sleeker and smarter with new weight trend graph and customizable widgets OLATHE, Kan.–(BUSINESS WIRE)– Garmin® International, Inc., a unit of Garmin Ltd. (NASDAQ: GRMN), today announced the Index S2™ smart scale with a new weight trend graph feature, enhanced accuracy, and a variety of biometric data for both serious athletes and health-minded customers alike. October 15, 2020 October 15, 2020 Marko Maslakovic 383 Views 0 Comments Health tracker, Smart scale Garmin has quietly unveiled the second generation Index S2 smart scale yesterday. I was occupied doing more important (work) stuff. It would be insanely awesome to someday have TrueUp Recovery Status, Training Status, distance-to-goal, and hydration status displayed in the widget rotation. I tried requesting said access as an individual hoping to create a personal sync solution, but also failed. 2. This content is not sponsored. And while Zwift does support weight scale integration, they haven’t lit up the Garmin side of that equation. Plus of course, Amazon anywhere. So just putting the two scales side by side you can see the main differences are mostly visual (the white one below is the older scale). You should check out my videos. Agreed this isn’t nearly as fulfilling as having the user know their actual stats, but apparently there isn’t a convenient way to determine the actual stats. I’m not sure about CVS, but you can add data manually, bus as I can see, only weight, not the advanced metrics. It is a perfect correlation between price and quality. While I don’t use it myself, a bunch of people seem pretty happy with it. I didn’t specifically test that each user’s screen preferences are separately saved, I assume they are. Press the reset button on the underside of the scale for a few seconds. But that’s not the point. Here’s how you give them access. There’s been too many late night Stroopwafels for me lately for that to impact my testing. You will see, that your BF rises immediately! Thanks for the review! You would have thought that preference would come from your Garmin Connect account but, nope, they are manually set with the button underneath the scales. Could be the reason why it didn’t work! As you probably noticed by looking below, I also take time to answer all the questions posted in the comments – and there’s quite a bit of detail in there as well. Looking for the best sports tech deals for the holidays? Then check out the massive list of everything, from $150 off the Garmin Fenix 6, plus big deals on Apple, GoPro, Suunto, Polar, Samsung, Withings, and many more! Conclusion is than that S2 is somehow trying to measure body fat in contrast to S1 which is just pretending to do so. Click this link to enter your question. I don’t even know how did they come up with such an idea. Garmin Index Wifi Scale. Hello Ray. Both literally and figuratively. Which will wake it up. Pet peeve warning… PIN number… Personal Identification Number Number…. My S1 is widely inaccurate for muscle mass and body fat % (i measure the later with a medical caliper, way more accurate). Then, an outdoor cam. The Fitbit Aria 2 and Tanita RD953 were appalling considering it’s almost 2021. Can’t I just get whatever impedance measurements they’re taking instead of their terrible algorithm? The body metrics are not only impedance based. I find that annoying, and honestly, while the S2 has a fancy display I’m not sure it’s worth the price. You likely won't find a better option that works this well with Garmin Connect. Yes trends are good if you’re doing what you’re doing and ignore the day to day randomness of the “measurement”. Next up, every single scale reading is stored in Garmin Connect. And lastly, if you felt this review was useful – I always appreciate feedback in the comments below. I would like to support DCR and enjoy ad-free DC Rainmaker ($20 per year). Tip: Use the Garmin Connect app to pair. Ray’s post of multiple weigh-ins in a single day shows the inverse relationship perfectly. That gets you an ad-free DCR, and also makes you awesome. Also, while on the back of the scale you’ll notice two things you can poke at (besides the springs on the battery compartment). Yes, sort of. Does the INDEX S2 still shows the same impedance-based readings regardless if you wear (summer) socks or not? I ended up turning that off because I thought the numbers were too low. Ultimately, another core reason I don’t have a huge desire to do a big test again at a lab with respect to body fat measurement is that the technology simply hasn’t changed since the last time I organized such a test. 🙂. Since the deal hasn’t gone through, in theory those companies are working separately still. They would sell a ton of those. Thanks // Alex, I think Zwift only supports Nokia withings and Fitbit that’s big draw back specially for Zwift races. Now – what about accuracy? Do you know if this has been rectified, at least to give a more gradual phasing of algorithms between different Activity Levels? And, once this post goes live the image and codename Garmin uses will magically change to the correct product image and real name instead of placeholders (Garmin does this for all products, to minimize leaks). Hi! The Garmin Index S2 was the best of 4 relatively expensive smart scales I reviewed. Yup, it does this automatically – see this section of the review: link to dcrainmaker.com. I do have a preorder on the Wyze headphones…yeah, a sucker for their low price/high functionality devices… Is the scale a winner? Your natural weight can easily vary by 3kg per day if you eat, drink and weigh at the ‘wrong’ time. Thanks for this, great review…. But then the scale should at least do what say a Fitbit Charge 4 does for SP02, that is to show a relative change with time and not the actual measurement, that’d be more honest I think. PROS Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and ANT+ syncing. Its the only time these two are talking. Weight and I believe BMI will filter upstream from MFP to Garmin servers and down into their ecosystem. The original Garmin Index Scale not only measures body mass but also Body Mass Index, Bone Mass, Muscle Mass, Water Percentage and Body Fat Percentage. (I would love tighter integration with Garmin. After all you have no interesting BF “predictions” but more a kind of second weight measurement. as always. Though, I have done so in the past and recruited a bunch of people to test various devices. With more sensitivity, the S2 will allow for more fluctuations and movement over time in those metrics compared to the original.”.  Some reviews are over 60 pages long when printed out, with hundreds of photos! My wife is a bit higher, in the 16% range, and measure 25-26%. I know I can just see the converted value in GCM but as they’re detecting the user anyway (and showing their weight history), why can’t they also display in preferred unit? No login required. I think Garmin should have made a weight only scale with the wifi connect and sell that for like 50$. The Withings has had a rechargeable battery for years. Adding any form of API to make it easy to upload data means they start loosing control of this. Typically this would be for people closer to single-digit body fat %’s. Wish me luck. Historically speaking the Index scale has done better in the US. S1 can only measure weight. Of all the best smart scales, the Wyze Scale is our top budget pick because it's loaded with features and costs a mere $20. I’ve been using the scale for a bit now, but also just as importantly the original Index scale for quite some time before that. 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